From Inside Supermax: Q&A With Jacob Ind, July 2008

This post is a continuation of a Q&A through the mail I’ve been having with Jacob Ind, who is currently serving Life Without Parole in the Colorado State Penitentiary (CSP), also known as Supermax. This news broadcast about Jacob Ind’s case aired on April 29, 2008. To read more about Jacob Ind and how this dialogue started, please see From Inside Supermax: Part 1 of 8. In all there are 18 posts From Inside Supermax. Simply select the tag, “Jacob Ind” to sort through the older posts and find them.

Lisa: Are you ever afraid in there anymore? What kinds of things were you afraid of at first, that you no longer are afraid of now? What kinds of things can still scare you? Do many people seem to be afraid?

Jacob: Fear…Yeah, I still get afraid in here, but for different reasons than I used to be. When I first got locked up I was scared when it came to conflicts. I didn’t like to fight or get into confrontations. After a few fights and confidence which comes from growing up I stopped being scared of fights and even grew to enjoy the adrenaline rush. It is actually fun to fight. Now fighting carries different fears. My biggest fears these days revolve around getting in trouble. I really hate getting in trouble and having my life up-ended. I like to get settled in and get my life set on a routine. Going to the hole usually means that I’ll end up in a different unit afterward, with different people, possibly losing my job, losing extra property, not to mention having to explain to my family and friends that I’m a screw up. It sucks all the way around. The hole time itself is nothing. I can do

What I Learned in Supermax, a Guest Post from Mary Ellen Johnson

Mary Ellen Johnson met Jacob Ind a few months after he killed his parents at age 15. She’s the director of The Pendulum Foundation, which serves kids serving life. She alternately thanks and curses Jacob for providing entree into a world she never knew existed.

“Something went horribly wrong.”

Jacob’s letter arrived a week after Limon Correctional Facility had been abruptly locked down.

From Inside Supermax: Sexuality in Prison (18 of 18)

I recently read some journals from another inmate who estimates that up to 70% of inmates engage in some kind of consensual homosexuality in prison. What do you think of that estimate? How do inmates deal with the effects of long term incarceration and the fact that human beings are sexual beings and in prison there is no normal outlet for that?

I would say that 70% is way too high a number of men who have engaged in homosexual behavior in Colorado. From what female prisoners say, it may even be as high as 80% for them, but not for men. Even in states where homosexual behavior is accepted, I seriously doubt that high of a percentage of men do it.

From Inside Supermax: Suicide in Prison (17 of 18)

How common is suicide? What kind of inmate is most likely to commit suicide? How are they able to do it with security cameras, guards and other inmates around?

Suicide is not very common in here due to the stigma of it being “weak”. It happens. I had a friend hang himself here in CSP and I’ve personally known a few others, but I don’t know the frequency (some overdoses are intentional, so the real numbers are hard to determine).

From Inside Supermax: Rape in Prison (16 of 18)

It seems to be a commonly held belief that rape is almost an accepted part of prison culture and this horrifies me. How common is it, and how is it possible for rape to occur in a maximum security prison where I assume that either cameras or guards are watching inmates all the time?

Fortunately, rape is not common in Colorado. It definitely happens, but since homosexuality is generally frowned upon by the male prisoners, it is not as common as in states where homosexuality is accepted.

From Inside Supermax: Thoughts on Reintegrating into Society (14 of 18)

It’s interesting to me that you and two of the other juveniles serving LWOP (and probably a whole lot of other inmates) have said that if you were freed, you’d just want to move to a cabin in the mountains or to a remote ranch or someplace where you could have some peace after having spent so much time in the chaotic environment you’re in. Of course you know that because you’d be on parole and you’d have to get a job right away, you wouldn’t realistically be able to do that. In fact, life would probably be very stressful for you because there would be a lot of pressure to comply with the terms of parole and you’d be dealing with a lot of things you’ve never dealt with before, like learning to drive, getting a license, finding employment and a place to live, finding an entirely new way to interact with other people, managing money and it’s quite possible that you’d also have a certain amount of press attention and notoriety to contend with. Have you been able to consider realistically what kind of external support systems you’d really need in order to “decompress” and make that kind of considerable transition?

I am quite fortunate to have a very supportive network of friends and family. If I were to get out today I would have numerous places I could live, here in Colorado with at least five guaranteed jobs, not to mention that I

From Inside Supermax: The High Rate of Incarceration (13 of 18)

The Associated Press just released this: “For the first time in U.S. history, more than one of every 100 adults is in jail or prison, according to a new report documenting America’s rank as the world’s No. 1 incarcerator.” Yet we don’t seem to be any safer. Have you done any research on why it is that we incarcerate so many people and yet we seem to have more violent crime? Why are we no safer, despite putting growing numbers of supposed criminals behind bars all the time? Are you familiar with crime rates and justice systems in other countries? Why don’t the Europeans have the problems we do?

It is amazing how many people this country locks away and how violent we are. A lot of people point to guns, but I think that is a cop out and avoiding the harder questions; after all, from 1998-1999 Finland had substantially more guns per 100,000 people than America (one of the very few!), but only had half the fire arm deaths per 100,00 (including suicide) that we did.

From Inside Supermax: Mentally Ill Prisoners (12 of 18)

I’ve heard quite a few references to inmates who are assumed to be mentally ill and you’ve related a number of anecdotes where you’ve mentioned guys who sound like they are seriously unbalanced. How prevalent is what appears to be obvious mental illness in prison and do these inmates appear to arrive that way or do some become that way as a result of the environment and in Ad-Seg, the isolation? Do you think the system should do something different with those inmates who are mentally ill?

I have read cases in law books where psychologists testify about the psychological harm ad-seg causes upon people. McClary v. Kelly 4F.Supp.2d 195 (W.D.N.Y. 1998) is such a case where two shrinks faced off and debated the ill effects of Supermax prisons on inmates. One of the doctors, Dr. Grassian, testified that every inmate in Supermax “will react to the toxicity

From Inside Supermax: How Would You Change the System? (11 of 18)

Through your letters and through interviews with others who are in prison, I have a growing understanding of what life in prison is like and frankly, I can’t understand how anyone can effectively reintegrate into society after years of incarceration after becoming accustomed to such a brutal world. If you could instantly transform the system into anything at all, how would you design a system to accommodate and attempt to rehabilitate juveniles convicted of murder or felony murder so that society would be safe and those with the mental and moral capacity to return to society as assets could achieve that?

Wow, envisioning an effective juvenile justice system which meets both the needs of rehabilitation and punishment is a daunting task. The first step would be to decide from the outset what the presiding philosophy of the system would be – punishment, rehabilitation, incapacitation, or retribution.

From Inside Supermax: Juveniles Who Choose Violence (10 of 18)

Having committed very serious violent crimes at a very young age and subsequently, having been acquainted with many other young men who are incarcerated for murder and felony murder, can you draw any conclusions or speculate about the difference between those of you in prison and the teenagers who may flirt with trouble, but who never cross the line and become involved in violent crimes?

From my experience, the only difference I can tell in teens who have been involved in serious crimes and those who have only dabbled in non-violent crimes is situation. The vast majority of juvenile offenders are not hardened criminals. They are not prone to being violent by themselves. But when they